The only distinction between camp 2 and camp 3 in my thoughts is that camp 2 think they know the truth, but camp 3 know they don't and are still searching.
Sorry. I misread. It's actually easy. Camp one believes everything the media says and government. Camp 2 gets hauled into a different takeaway, like Tommy oh Tommy or We're saving the world with our organisation (tickets cost £thousands - middle class only need apply). Camp three. It probably isn't who they represent themselves to be. But if you cast a sceptical eye and keep searching for the truth, you might get at least a little bit closer to the truth.
I have LEARNED a lot of the evil, nefarious, dirty, filthy things going “down the rabbit hole” so to speak and once one learns, the CAN’T unlearn. So I tend now to waiver between Camp 3 and Camp 2, mainly as a survival tool., I do care but I can’t do a thing about it. I DO keep up with some of the newer updated information but for the most part…I let it go like the old song “dust in the wind”…:):):) take care
But you can. The overall psychological operation is that only people who are experts can lead or talk or do anything. To the contrary, only the other 98% can change public opinion, flood the media and MPs with their witness to what is happening. That is the real truth. I know it works. They can't counter actual witness accounts.
Great discussion and a very valuable framework. Personally I would put myself down as a Camp3 floating voter. I think I have a reasonable grasp of the nature of the omniwar but I also recognise that I am susceptible to propaganda, just like anyone else. As Debbi, Ant, and David highlight, we must be continuously vigilant, perhaps most importantly of our own beliefs and likely preconceptions.
I am happy to respond to this. I totally agree and appreciate where you are coming from, however in my defence at this point I have the narrowest of windows in my days to update our website due to personal and work commitments. There is literally only Debi and I, and to ensure Debi’s excellent up to date articles hit the website in timely manners, I will need to save time wherever I can. It is hoped this project will grow with more volunteers and some of the work will be spread out.
I don't like AI generated images much either. And I tend to avoid those sites because they often have AI generated text. Which tends to be obvious as they don't read as though they were written by a real person.
Very good to see Debbie with this new platform. I have followed Debbie on UKC and on Twitter/X.
Dare I suggest to say we can never be sure that we know "the truth". Once we have been exposed to "The Truth (TM)" we should have learned that truth is not a pure, isolated and fixed thing because it is always subjective and always open to revision when new verifiable information is revealed.
We can only know our own truth.
What I think we can say is that we can know and recognise explanations for observed and verifiable occurrences which better explain the verifiable and indisputable facts surrounding those occurrences. Sorry that this is a bit of a mouthful but that is the best way I can express my feeling about this important topic.
In this sense I think that we can only ever be honest truth seekers but never refer to and advertise ourselves as finders and owners of the only truth or the 'real' truth. This is for the reason that 'the truth' told to a person who does not want to hear it very quickly becomes a lie because it represents an existential threat to the receiver. The allegory of Plato's Cave is the perfect illustration of this. Plus our 'felt experience' expressed in the discussion about losing friends through the fake pandemic also confirms this reality.
So this whole topic has to be approached with a good deal of humility. David touched on this when I think he mentioned that in 'Camp 3' we are involved in a process — we are not at a destination and never will be. That is actually what differentiates Camp 3 from the other two camps.
Looking forward to engage further on this. I am particularly interested in and actively researching better explanations for health and sickness versus what mainstream medicine tells us.
I would go further and say that discovering truth is a life-long journey, and we learn as we grow. Experience teaches us discernment. (hopefully) And seeing what is behind the facade of our society is a wrenching experience. Some people may not be at a place where they feel they can deal with that. It evokes fear, which often manifests as anger.
Having myself experienced the feeling of being torn from my beliefs (should I say my confidence) in the reasonable and benign nature of the institutions that supposedly serve us through personal/family crisis of some duration (this was 38 years ago), I had to re-examine and revise my understanding of that confidence I had in those institutions. And if you think about it, society is guided and molded by those institutions; education, medicine, government.
And then in 2001 I got access to a computer and the internet, with the goal of running an online business, but also to find information to help me find needed medical information. That was a time where the internet was relatively new to the population, and security by government was lack due to lack of understanding of security. Lots of hackers bringing out documents not meant for public viewing.
The research that started on the medical system was the entrance into the rabbit hole of the underbelly not just of medical corruption (of which there was a great deal) brought me to an awareness of many areas in which the public understanding and the actual reality were completely at variance.
And as time went on in my research, the plot got darker; that was the early days of experiments on unaware people using invasive technology. Back when Dr Nick Begich put out the video, "Angels don't play this haarp", an installation owned by Raython (a U.S. govt military contractor)
This information came at a price, and that's the further dissolution of almost everything I believed to be true which started earlier. And there were lots of shills, some of which were really obvious (and still are) and others which took me time and experience to discern. As Debi says, you have to learn to truth your 'gut'. One way to figure this out was to look at their bio, what they said about other things too. Who they associated with. Whether they mixed truth and (what I call) fantasy.
Learning from deception, you start to get nudges. Now I notice more things, like body language. People who appear to smirk while revealing 'dangerous truths'. How engaged the speaker is in videos. Whether they seem to be doing a sales pitch. Whether people who have said they have been long-term investigators of truth seem to not be aware of obvious counter arguments or logical fallacies.
For instance, I looked up Bobby Kennedy Jr when he was 'warning' people about the covid shots but then talked about the percentage of 'efficiency' in preventing 'covid'; when the drug manufacturer did not suggest prevention. (rather, 'reduction in degree of severity'...of course, all nonsense.) And what I read about his past wasn't good.
To get to the point of my too-long story, I think awareness is multi-layered. You learn something more than camp 2, but that knowledge will eventually deepen as you learn, so camp 3 is not a level playing field; it is a place where people can come to share what they learn.
I think it would be a really useful idea to ask the input of your readers, what makes them guess or know that someone is controlled opposition (camp 2, deliberate deception). And maybe, camp 2 because they got stuck for some reason, maybe from following a trusted leader (liar) or because they just followed others.
And by the way, it is very worth saying, that the idea of people being leaders or followers is a false dichotomy. The other option, the one we all need to aspire to, is to be a more fully aware individual; an independent.
And that also takes the onus of responsibility for 'knowing everything' off of podcasters. I for one am not looking for a leader. And a person who feels called to speak out is basically following his/her call to meaning. Like Victor Frankl says, it is a most important aspect of being human.
Yes, at an existential level, this is about Man's Search for Meaning. If I do not take action now, based on all that I know, what point does my life really have?
"I think it would be a really useful idea to ask the input of your readers, what makes them guess or know that someone is controlled opposition (camp 2, deliberate deception)."
I did try that a few months ago, on Substack Chat. There wasn't much response, though.
David, I look forward to you getting this substack redirected to your own site, so people in places like Australia, who are coerced to use the digital id, can participate. I have noticed that under duress from restricted freedoms, people are more eager to interact with like-minded people.
If this is camp 3, which is (I would hope) a shared goal, then we are hopefully beyond 'follow the leader' and we have the opportunity to contribute our knowledge, understanding and questions as an ongoing attempt at creating community.
The fact that all posts from subscribers are public may to a deterrent , especially when threatened by our respective government to follow the party line. One suggestion would be to have the ongoing conversations private (subscribers log in to private pages) while your [David's] material remains public, insofar as the information provided needs to reach as wide an audience as possible.
I saw that. But all the comments are on substack. Will you be transferring them over soon? Giving notification to make comments on your site instead of this one?
I totally agree with you that 'leaders' very often turn out to be a dangerous distraction to follow and many are put there to be a distraction. We have learn to steer our own boat. I am a sailor who (used to) sail his own boat - you may use another person on the helm to help you steer the boat and you may listen to comments from your crew and even act on this - but as skipper you are responsible for the voyage and the safety of your ship AND its crew.
Hi Howard, I just came across this article by Unbekoming which you linked on your site, about the bizarre flood of dancing nurses videos on the internet during the covid event.
I think it's worth mentioning here, as it fits into the Omniwar psyops agenda. And helps us gain a better understanding of how these events are meant to control our perceptions.
"the authorities showed that they could make populations accept two mutually exclusive realities at the same time [....] hospitals that were both overcrowded and empty enough for choreographed routines.
...The dancing-nurses were a test for the distortion of reality. Once populations accepted this initial contradiction, they were prepared for more;..."
The dancing nurses phenomena seems to have been a big operation in itself. I am now pretty sure it was a music industry enabled job. So I believe the ‘Jerusalema Challenge’ was set up as a part of the Covid psyop. It’s hard to prove this but I think it is very likely. When I wrote my own article about dancing nurses I was on the fence about if it included the music industry but I now think it must have. This industry is used probably much more than most people understand to manipulate perceptions and set trends - Laurel Canyon, The Beatles. I’m surprised now that there aren’t more articles and studies about this aspect.
Yep. There was a ton of information about Laurel Canyon, the Beatles, etc on the internet in the past. The music industry is tied into the entertainment industry. Hollywood is a propaganda machine, because it was very obvious way back that people will incorporate stories into the way they see the world. The power of engaging fiction.
Hollywood as paradigm changer is also a place where mind control has been practiced for years. Control of the actors/actresses, as well as using a lot of symbolic messaging which our eyes can't help but see but our thinking selves ignore. By extension, the popular Korean music/entertainment industry is also run by the same 'machine'. There have been a lot of exposés about the dark belly of that industry there.
I would say that the etiology of the music industry as psyops came about in the 1960's, when there were massive protests against the drafting of young people into the Vietnam war, a war perceived by the people as an illegal one (on the part of the U.S., but then, most Imperialist wars are).
In response, the peaceful protests became music protest events, and the musicians happened to be (at least, many of the most popular ones) the sons and daughters of the military. And through these events, starting I believe in Woodstock in 1969s, free 'hollywood-style' LSD was freely distributed.
'hollywood-style' LSD refers to, in this case, LSD as it was developed by the military in Germany and used by the American secret gov't (operation paperclip), but adulterated with other chemicals. That's the kind that was distributed freely at the Woodstock peace event, and later through the LAPD, NYPD and others...long story. Also a story of how the military men in high places used their sons and daughters (as part of the MK program) to infiltrate the peace industry. The resultant 'musicians' (some were already musicians, others were not. It took awhile to make Bob Dylan into a musician that anyone wanted to hear LOL!) may not have been consciously aware of their role.
As I said, there was a lot of info available online in the past, as well as corroborating evidence from various sources. I witnessed many social changes, including the 'birth' of the New Age agenda, the infiltration of the idealistic 'hippie' movement, the effect of the social psychologists that infiltrated the churches etc. Being from the age of the dinosaurs, lol. I didn't put it all together until I got the internet in 2000-2001 and started to do research on other topics. Then I was able to see the bigger patterns emerge.
Did you see this, David? https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/cmcc-leaked-documents-gaza-residential-zone-surveillance-checkpoints-rafah a prototype for a completely surveilled biometrically-monitored technocratic city is forced on the palestinian refugees in Gaza by trump’s Orwellian “board of peace” of the billionaire oligarchs. Digital ID will be needed to move around. No cash present in this zionist-monitored slave city, it will operate by digital ID and programmable money in electronic wallets.
See also here at timestamp 02:15 a short report on this new technocratic surveillance digital ID prison city that the Big Money capitalists are building for palestinian refugees in Gaza
It is challenging trying to figure out who are controlled opposition. David made an interesting point...that some Camp 2 presenters are actually trying to prevent us from moving to Camp 3.
David: Thanks for introducing us to Debi and Ant and their exciting new platform!
Debi and Ant: I’m wishing you all the best with “Camp 3 News”!
Cheers, P.A.
P.S. for Debi: When you referred to yourself as “a gobby granny,” I was charmed by what seemed to be a touch of ironic humor — even though I had no idea what that expression meant. I live in the U.S.A., and the word “gobby” does not exist in American English. I was hearing it for the first time and had to look it up. So thanks for helping to expand my vocabulary!
By always not believing the Mainstream Media due to the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012, making State Propaganda legal, you will automatically be in Camp 2.
If you then use critical thinking skills amongst the alternative information you seek out without emotionally invested belief, but continue your research of the relevant facts and evidence and learning more about the particular subject for yourself, you have a good chance of being a Camp 3 thinker, but it takes a lot of work and time.
Hello David A Hughes (I’ve not heard of you before but am very impressed with your creation of the camp 1,2,& 3 concept.) Thank you for this interview. I love Debi’s truth, gut feelings, integrity and research, and it’s been wonderful to hear her here, and learn about her and Ant Critchley’s new platform based on your camp 3. I’ve not heard of Ant before either, and will look into both of your platforms, and especially Camp 3. I’ve got good feelings about it, as I’m a big longtime fan of Debi’s, (I’m a gobby nurse and grandma too), and so grateful to find her new outlet with Ant.. who I instantly get a good feeling about. Yes.. Camp 4 sounds great too, deeper and inner levels of evolving truth. I also liked the explanations on Camp 2, and it has been bewildering who to trust in the last year, and seeing red flags too many times.
Thanks also David for drawing attention to pitfalls and how they could be overcome.. important to be realistic and practical. I’m really looking forward to the new platform.
Also a big thanks to Ian Davies (possibly spelt wrong, sorry), for introducing me to this interview, and the new Camp 3 project… (on another alt platform), all very good respectful trustworthy people. I’m elated to elevate to the next camp up the mountain side, in this spiritual war. So grateful for new outlets for truth and news, that has no hidden agenda or motives. Bbh, I’ve been increasingly disappointed with a long standing alternative news outlet, and had already seen many red flags over the last year… so it’s refreshing to have a new level. ..I love the rejection of only 2 sides to the coin, and that both sides are probably compromised, especially if money is involved and transparency is not. The 3rd Way…. Yay! ..Debi has always been a star in my eyes, I love her sparkle and enthusiasm for the truth in this world, and I was missing her 7 stories in 7 mins. With this new opening of a small group… Ant, Cheryl too etc, I’m greatly looking forward to being part of it. May it prosper and keep safe.
I wish Debbie and Ant the best of luck with this new platform - I think authenticity is the key word. Camp 3 news is a great name - hopefully more will join us
There are reasons why the war is ultimately against the individual and part of that is because groups can and are easily infiltrated and manipulated. There is always an element of conformity in a group at an unconscious level. If there was a camp 4 it would involve an understanding of the distinction between the exoteric , esoteric and the unconscious influence of symbols, which should be obvious but we have been trained to accept them as normal.
Maybe I wavier between Camp 3 and Camp 2...I have LEARNED, & it's like going down "an evil, nefarious, dirty, filthy rabbit hole" which once learned CANNOT be unlearned. So, I tend to be not so much anymore involves in the learning, but I do keep in touch with some of the newer updated information which may appear to put me into camp 2 but , well just trying to make it day by day, moment by moment until The Lord Jesus The Christ returns and takes care of business!
In terms of camp 3 and making sense of global politics, the breakdown of international diplomacy and national autonomy, and the destruction of individual freedoms, I would expect to see, from those who are open to noting the continuation of the Nazi agenda into the present, some discussion of the rise of Zionism (even preceding WW1), and its present role in U.S. government policies (the U.S. 'the' major global aggressor, as well as financer/financier of Israeli's military for years now) as well as countries in Europe, where it is now considered a crime for citizens to criticize the ongoing genocide of countless innocent civilians in Gaza and surrounding countries.
It has been argued in the past, in Nazi Germany that the Nazi and the Zionist agendas had enough similarities to allow collaboration between the two groups. At this point, the U.S./Zionist Israeli connection is the elephant in the room. Who is aiding who? How does this connection further Trump's agenda? And the elitists' global governance agenda?
The ICC (International Criminal Court) appears to be toothless.
Amnesty International Feb 2025:
In response to Trump's 'executive order' imposing sanctions of the ICC, Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General, responded,
"No one responsible for crimes under international law should be protected or aided in their attempts to escape individual accountability, least of all with the assistance of the US government based on President Trump’s political alliances."
And this is an interesting book, "Zionist Relations with Nazi Germany' (1978). The author writes that all material on Zionist-Nazi relations in this study is taken from exclusively Jewish sources.
The only distinction between camp 2 and camp 3 in my thoughts is that camp 2 think they know the truth, but camp 3 know they don't and are still searching.
How do I get these Camp 2 and maybe Camp 1? bronco524@yahoo.com Jack
Not funny.
I was not trying to be funny!, just searching and trying to learn. I am SORRY about the misunderstanding...(:(:(:
Sorry. I misread. It's actually easy. Camp one believes everything the media says and government. Camp 2 gets hauled into a different takeaway, like Tommy oh Tommy or We're saving the world with our organisation (tickets cost £thousands - middle class only need apply). Camp three. It probably isn't who they represent themselves to be. But if you cast a sceptical eye and keep searching for the truth, you might get at least a little bit closer to the truth.
I have LEARNED a lot of the evil, nefarious, dirty, filthy things going “down the rabbit hole” so to speak and once one learns, the CAN’T unlearn. So I tend now to waiver between Camp 3 and Camp 2, mainly as a survival tool., I do care but I can’t do a thing about it. I DO keep up with some of the newer updated information but for the most part…I let it go like the old song “dust in the wind”…:):):) take care
But you can. The overall psychological operation is that only people who are experts can lead or talk or do anything. To the contrary, only the other 98% can change public opinion, flood the media and MPs with their witness to what is happening. That is the real truth. I know it works. They can't counter actual witness accounts.
Great discussion and a very valuable framework. Personally I would put myself down as a Camp3 floating voter. I think I have a reasonable grasp of the nature of the omniwar but I also recognise that I am susceptible to propaganda, just like anyone else. As Debbi, Ant, and David highlight, we must be continuously vigilant, perhaps most importantly of our own beliefs and likely preconceptions.
Absolutely so.
AI generated images on the Camp3 website are incongruous with truth seeking… for me at least
I am happy to respond to this. I totally agree and appreciate where you are coming from, however in my defence at this point I have the narrowest of windows in my days to update our website due to personal and work commitments. There is literally only Debi and I, and to ensure Debi’s excellent up to date articles hit the website in timely manners, I will need to save time wherever I can. It is hoped this project will grow with more volunteers and some of the work will be spread out.
As a graphic designer I totally understand. I use AI commercially, frequently.
I hope my comment didn’t read like harsh criticism. Thanks for taking it on board.
Not a problem Nick, we should never stop asking questions
Agreed. Same for me
I don't like AI generated images much either. And I tend to avoid those sites because they often have AI generated text. Which tends to be obvious as they don't read as though they were written by a real person.
Camp 3-er here. Luckily I am an only child and don't mind the loneliness. So glad to be in such wonderful company.
Very good to see Debbie with this new platform. I have followed Debbie on UKC and on Twitter/X.
Dare I suggest to say we can never be sure that we know "the truth". Once we have been exposed to "The Truth (TM)" we should have learned that truth is not a pure, isolated and fixed thing because it is always subjective and always open to revision when new verifiable information is revealed.
We can only know our own truth.
What I think we can say is that we can know and recognise explanations for observed and verifiable occurrences which better explain the verifiable and indisputable facts surrounding those occurrences. Sorry that this is a bit of a mouthful but that is the best way I can express my feeling about this important topic.
In this sense I think that we can only ever be honest truth seekers but never refer to and advertise ourselves as finders and owners of the only truth or the 'real' truth. This is for the reason that 'the truth' told to a person who does not want to hear it very quickly becomes a lie because it represents an existential threat to the receiver. The allegory of Plato's Cave is the perfect illustration of this. Plus our 'felt experience' expressed in the discussion about losing friends through the fake pandemic also confirms this reality.
So this whole topic has to be approached with a good deal of humility. David touched on this when I think he mentioned that in 'Camp 3' we are involved in a process — we are not at a destination and never will be. That is actually what differentiates Camp 3 from the other two camps.
Looking forward to engage further on this. I am particularly interested in and actively researching better explanations for health and sickness versus what mainstream medicine tells us.
I would go further and say that discovering truth is a life-long journey, and we learn as we grow. Experience teaches us discernment. (hopefully) And seeing what is behind the facade of our society is a wrenching experience. Some people may not be at a place where they feel they can deal with that. It evokes fear, which often manifests as anger.
Having myself experienced the feeling of being torn from my beliefs (should I say my confidence) in the reasonable and benign nature of the institutions that supposedly serve us through personal/family crisis of some duration (this was 38 years ago), I had to re-examine and revise my understanding of that confidence I had in those institutions. And if you think about it, society is guided and molded by those institutions; education, medicine, government.
And then in 2001 I got access to a computer and the internet, with the goal of running an online business, but also to find information to help me find needed medical information. That was a time where the internet was relatively new to the population, and security by government was lack due to lack of understanding of security. Lots of hackers bringing out documents not meant for public viewing.
The research that started on the medical system was the entrance into the rabbit hole of the underbelly not just of medical corruption (of which there was a great deal) brought me to an awareness of many areas in which the public understanding and the actual reality were completely at variance.
And as time went on in my research, the plot got darker; that was the early days of experiments on unaware people using invasive technology. Back when Dr Nick Begich put out the video, "Angels don't play this haarp", an installation owned by Raython (a U.S. govt military contractor)
This information came at a price, and that's the further dissolution of almost everything I believed to be true which started earlier. And there were lots of shills, some of which were really obvious (and still are) and others which took me time and experience to discern. As Debi says, you have to learn to truth your 'gut'. One way to figure this out was to look at their bio, what they said about other things too. Who they associated with. Whether they mixed truth and (what I call) fantasy.
Learning from deception, you start to get nudges. Now I notice more things, like body language. People who appear to smirk while revealing 'dangerous truths'. How engaged the speaker is in videos. Whether they seem to be doing a sales pitch. Whether people who have said they have been long-term investigators of truth seem to not be aware of obvious counter arguments or logical fallacies.
For instance, I looked up Bobby Kennedy Jr when he was 'warning' people about the covid shots but then talked about the percentage of 'efficiency' in preventing 'covid'; when the drug manufacturer did not suggest prevention. (rather, 'reduction in degree of severity'...of course, all nonsense.) And what I read about his past wasn't good.
To get to the point of my too-long story, I think awareness is multi-layered. You learn something more than camp 2, but that knowledge will eventually deepen as you learn, so camp 3 is not a level playing field; it is a place where people can come to share what they learn.
I think it would be a really useful idea to ask the input of your readers, what makes them guess or know that someone is controlled opposition (camp 2, deliberate deception). And maybe, camp 2 because they got stuck for some reason, maybe from following a trusted leader (liar) or because they just followed others.
And by the way, it is very worth saying, that the idea of people being leaders or followers is a false dichotomy. The other option, the one we all need to aspire to, is to be a more fully aware individual; an independent.
And that also takes the onus of responsibility for 'knowing everything' off of podcasters. I for one am not looking for a leader. And a person who feels called to speak out is basically following his/her call to meaning. Like Victor Frankl says, it is a most important aspect of being human.
Yes, at an existential level, this is about Man's Search for Meaning. If I do not take action now, based on all that I know, what point does my life really have?
"I think it would be a really useful idea to ask the input of your readers, what makes them guess or know that someone is controlled opposition (camp 2, deliberate deception)."
I did try that a few months ago, on Substack Chat. There wasn't much response, though.
David, I look forward to you getting this substack redirected to your own site, so people in places like Australia, who are coerced to use the digital id, can participate. I have noticed that under duress from restricted freedoms, people are more eager to interact with like-minded people.
If this is camp 3, which is (I would hope) a shared goal, then we are hopefully beyond 'follow the leader' and we have the opportunity to contribute our knowledge, understanding and questions as an ongoing attempt at creating community.
The fact that all posts from subscribers are public may to a deterrent , especially when threatened by our respective government to follow the party line. One suggestion would be to have the ongoing conversations private (subscribers log in to private pages) while your [David's] material remains public, insofar as the information provided needs to reach as wide an audience as possible.
All my content is on davidahughes.net.
I need to have a think about what to make public and private.
I saw that. But all the comments are on substack. Will you be transferring them over soon? Giving notification to make comments on your site instead of this one?
I cannot transfer comments across.
I have contemplated turning comments off on Substack.
I totally agree with you that 'leaders' very often turn out to be a dangerous distraction to follow and many are put there to be a distraction. We have learn to steer our own boat. I am a sailor who (used to) sail his own boat - you may use another person on the helm to help you steer the boat and you may listen to comments from your crew and even act on this - but as skipper you are responsible for the voyage and the safety of your ship AND its crew.
Hi Howard, I just came across this article by Unbekoming which you linked on your site, about the bizarre flood of dancing nurses videos on the internet during the covid event.
I think it's worth mentioning here, as it fits into the Omniwar psyops agenda. And helps us gain a better understanding of how these events are meant to control our perceptions.
https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/dancing-nurses
"the authorities showed that they could make populations accept two mutually exclusive realities at the same time [....] hospitals that were both overcrowded and empty enough for choreographed routines.
...The dancing-nurses were a test for the distortion of reality. Once populations accepted this initial contradiction, they were prepared for more;..."
The dancing nurses phenomena seems to have been a big operation in itself. I am now pretty sure it was a music industry enabled job. So I believe the ‘Jerusalema Challenge’ was set up as a part of the Covid psyop. It’s hard to prove this but I think it is very likely. When I wrote my own article about dancing nurses I was on the fence about if it included the music industry but I now think it must have. This industry is used probably much more than most people understand to manipulate perceptions and set trends - Laurel Canyon, The Beatles. I’m surprised now that there aren’t more articles and studies about this aspect.
Yep. There was a ton of information about Laurel Canyon, the Beatles, etc on the internet in the past. The music industry is tied into the entertainment industry. Hollywood is a propaganda machine, because it was very obvious way back that people will incorporate stories into the way they see the world. The power of engaging fiction.
Hollywood as paradigm changer is also a place where mind control has been practiced for years. Control of the actors/actresses, as well as using a lot of symbolic messaging which our eyes can't help but see but our thinking selves ignore. By extension, the popular Korean music/entertainment industry is also run by the same 'machine'. There have been a lot of exposés about the dark belly of that industry there.
I would say that the etiology of the music industry as psyops came about in the 1960's, when there were massive protests against the drafting of young people into the Vietnam war, a war perceived by the people as an illegal one (on the part of the U.S., but then, most Imperialist wars are).
In response, the peaceful protests became music protest events, and the musicians happened to be (at least, many of the most popular ones) the sons and daughters of the military. And through these events, starting I believe in Woodstock in 1969s, free 'hollywood-style' LSD was freely distributed.
'hollywood-style' LSD refers to, in this case, LSD as it was developed by the military in Germany and used by the American secret gov't (operation paperclip), but adulterated with other chemicals. That's the kind that was distributed freely at the Woodstock peace event, and later through the LAPD, NYPD and others...long story. Also a story of how the military men in high places used their sons and daughters (as part of the MK program) to infiltrate the peace industry. The resultant 'musicians' (some were already musicians, others were not. It took awhile to make Bob Dylan into a musician that anyone wanted to hear LOL!) may not have been consciously aware of their role.
As I said, there was a lot of info available online in the past, as well as corroborating evidence from various sources. I witnessed many social changes, including the 'birth' of the New Age agenda, the infiltration of the idealistic 'hippie' movement, the effect of the social psychologists that infiltrated the churches etc. Being from the age of the dinosaurs, lol. I didn't put it all together until I got the internet in 2000-2001 and started to do research on other topics. Then I was able to see the bigger patterns emerge.
Did you see this, David? https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/cmcc-leaked-documents-gaza-residential-zone-surveillance-checkpoints-rafah a prototype for a completely surveilled biometrically-monitored technocratic city is forced on the palestinian refugees in Gaza by trump’s Orwellian “board of peace” of the billionaire oligarchs. Digital ID will be needed to move around. No cash present in this zionist-monitored slave city, it will operate by digital ID and programmable money in electronic wallets.
See also here at timestamp 02:15 a short report on this new technocratic surveillance digital ID prison city that the Big Money capitalists are building for palestinian refugees in Gaza
https://rumble.com/v753eqc-top-censored-news-of-the-week-jan-30-2026.html
Thank you. This is useful information.
That 'plan' (dropsitenews.com) reads like a modern containment detention camp.
Reminds me of S Africa's apartheid zone which was created with the help of IBM; an early technology surveillance experiment.
There are many sources of the info on IBM's involvement. Here is one
http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~cale/cs201/apartheid.comp.html
Thank you for this important resource. Yes, that is exactly what it reads like and the logic followed.
And lest we forget, this is all done under the billionaires' "board of peace". Truly Orwellian..
It is challenging trying to figure out who are controlled opposition. David made an interesting point...that some Camp 2 presenters are actually trying to prevent us from moving to Camp 3.
David: Thanks for introducing us to Debi and Ant and their exciting new platform!
Debi and Ant: I’m wishing you all the best with “Camp 3 News”!
Cheers, P.A.
P.S. for Debi: When you referred to yourself as “a gobby granny,” I was charmed by what seemed to be a touch of ironic humor — even though I had no idea what that expression meant. I live in the U.S.A., and the word “gobby” does not exist in American English. I was hearing it for the first time and had to look it up. So thanks for helping to expand my vocabulary!
Fabulous conversation. Fabulous initiative. Subscribed to the newsletter, and have bookmarked the website.
We all do what we can with what we've got.
Bless you all.
By always not believing the Mainstream Media due to the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012, making State Propaganda legal, you will automatically be in Camp 2.
If you then use critical thinking skills amongst the alternative information you seek out without emotionally invested belief, but continue your research of the relevant facts and evidence and learning more about the particular subject for yourself, you have a good chance of being a Camp 3 thinker, but it takes a lot of work and time.
Hello David A Hughes (I’ve not heard of you before but am very impressed with your creation of the camp 1,2,& 3 concept.) Thank you for this interview. I love Debi’s truth, gut feelings, integrity and research, and it’s been wonderful to hear her here, and learn about her and Ant Critchley’s new platform based on your camp 3. I’ve not heard of Ant before either, and will look into both of your platforms, and especially Camp 3. I’ve got good feelings about it, as I’m a big longtime fan of Debi’s, (I’m a gobby nurse and grandma too), and so grateful to find her new outlet with Ant.. who I instantly get a good feeling about. Yes.. Camp 4 sounds great too, deeper and inner levels of evolving truth. I also liked the explanations on Camp 2, and it has been bewildering who to trust in the last year, and seeing red flags too many times.
Thanks also David for drawing attention to pitfalls and how they could be overcome.. important to be realistic and practical. I’m really looking forward to the new platform.
Also a big thanks to Ian Davies (possibly spelt wrong, sorry), for introducing me to this interview, and the new Camp 3 project… (on another alt platform), all very good respectful trustworthy people. I’m elated to elevate to the next camp up the mountain side, in this spiritual war. So grateful for new outlets for truth and news, that has no hidden agenda or motives. Bbh, I’ve been increasingly disappointed with a long standing alternative news outlet, and had already seen many red flags over the last year… so it’s refreshing to have a new level. ..I love the rejection of only 2 sides to the coin, and that both sides are probably compromised, especially if money is involved and transparency is not. The 3rd Way…. Yay! ..Debi has always been a star in my eyes, I love her sparkle and enthusiasm for the truth in this world, and I was missing her 7 stories in 7 mins. With this new opening of a small group… Ant, Cheryl too etc, I’m greatly looking forward to being part of it. May it prosper and keep safe.
Thank you All.
Many thanks, JCB.
Great to see such support for the new platform!
I wish Debbie and Ant the best of luck with this new platform - I think authenticity is the key word. Camp 3 news is a great name - hopefully more will join us
There are reasons why the war is ultimately against the individual and part of that is because groups can and are easily infiltrated and manipulated. There is always an element of conformity in a group at an unconscious level. If there was a camp 4 it would involve an understanding of the distinction between the exoteric , esoteric and the unconscious influence of symbols, which should be obvious but we have been trained to accept them as normal.
Maybe I wavier between Camp 3 and Camp 2...I have LEARNED, & it's like going down "an evil, nefarious, dirty, filthy rabbit hole" which once learned CANNOT be unlearned. So, I tend to be not so much anymore involves in the learning, but I do keep in touch with some of the newer updated information which may appear to put me into camp 2 but , well just trying to make it day by day, moment by moment until The Lord Jesus The Christ returns and takes care of business!
Camp 2 designed to prevent the genie getting out of the bottle.
In terms of camp 3 and making sense of global politics, the breakdown of international diplomacy and national autonomy, and the destruction of individual freedoms, I would expect to see, from those who are open to noting the continuation of the Nazi agenda into the present, some discussion of the rise of Zionism (even preceding WW1), and its present role in U.S. government policies (the U.S. 'the' major global aggressor, as well as financer/financier of Israeli's military for years now) as well as countries in Europe, where it is now considered a crime for citizens to criticize the ongoing genocide of countless innocent civilians in Gaza and surrounding countries.
It has been argued in the past, in Nazi Germany that the Nazi and the Zionist agendas had enough similarities to allow collaboration between the two groups. At this point, the U.S./Zionist Israeli connection is the elephant in the room. Who is aiding who? How does this connection further Trump's agenda? And the elitists' global governance agenda?
The ICC (International Criminal Court) appears to be toothless.
Amnesty International Feb 2025:
In response to Trump's 'executive order' imposing sanctions of the ICC, Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General, responded,
"No one responsible for crimes under international law should be protected or aided in their attempts to escape individual accountability, least of all with the assistance of the US government based on President Trump’s political alliances."
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/02/usa-sanctions-against-international-criminal-court-betray-international-justice-system/
June 2025
https://carnegieendowment.org/emissary/2025/06/gaza-ghf-humanitarian-aid-trump-plan?lang=en
Is Humanitarian Aid Becoming a Tool to Advance the “Trump Plan” in Gaza?
The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation fails to meet minimum international standards for aid delivery.
This is quite an interesting read: https://mronline.org/2024/06/28/the-treachery-of-the-nazi-zionist-alliance/
And this is an interesting book, "Zionist Relations with Nazi Germany' (1978). The author writes that all material on Zionist-Nazi relations in this study is taken from exclusively Jewish sources.
https://michaelharrison.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Zionist-Relations-with-Nazi-Germany-Faris-Yahya-PSR-Beirut-1978.pdf