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Truth as a 2nd Language's avatar

Excellent interview David. Thank you. If I had my wish it would be mandatory for all humans on the planet. I know there is a fatigue factor on all this yet the evidence you present is so important and compelling.

On another note, please get your rest while you are being a super hero bringing us the scholarly version of what use to be labeled conspiracy theories. You bring street cred where it’s been seriously lacking but please not at the cost of your health.

David A. Hughes's avatar

Thanks, Mary. Yes, it is an old battle by now, but still worth fighting. Too much is at stake.

I'll be taking a break at the end of next week.

Kirsten's avatar

Another great interview. I was thinking about the anomalies of the fires, but it would be hard to differentiate between a cold nuclear fusion process and directed energy weapons.

People do not want to take in things beyond their comfort zone. I think covid expanded that comfort zone for a lot of people. But it's amazing how defensive people can be to hear views outside their own. I've come upon this twice with the transgender conversation, and intelligent, fairly mild-mannered people can turn highly aggressive, and/or act purely on their emotions. I read something about cognitive dissonance, which I know is a very uncomfortable feeling state that take some practice to tolerate. I read an article said the area of the brain that lights up during a physical survival threat is the same that lights up with cognitive dissonance. If this is true, this would be one big hurdle to people leaving their entertainment and truly taking in this threatening situation.

I also wonder if something more is happening in our US population. We know of many ways electromagnetic frequencies reach people's bodies and brains; 5G towers, the Gwen system and satellite system. I wonder if there is a frequency that makes people passive, and in a way kind of dull in their brain. People can maintain their normal routines fine, but expanding their mental perspective might be very hard depending on the electromagnetic frequencies that our bodies are bathing in.

Also, since this is a different type of war and people don't see the direct threat to themselves and their loved ones, there's little psychological reason why they'd want to change that. Part of our brain is built on safety and comfort, and unless there are obvious signs of threat, like in a war, it is counter to our brains to change that safe state that it's in. People would have to want to put themselves in an unsafe state of mind. Covid put people in a state of discomfort, at least those who took the injections, because there are so many side effects that people are dealing with, whether they know it's from the injections or not, so that is stirring people on a physical level.

Also, the threats in this Omni war aren't constant to any one population. This makes it very easy for people to lull themselves into a state of the relative safety of their life routines during the off times in their part of the world.

Like you say, the best we can do now is talk about it. I live in a liberal area of the United States. I can find people that will hear different views about covid, but they don't want to delve very deep into it.

Anyway, thanks so much for your effort and intelligence. You are a great teacher. πŸ™πŸΌπŸ’•

David A. Hughes's avatar

Thanks, Kirsten.

You may be interested in my section on cognitive dissonance in Chapter 6 of my Covid book: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-031-41850-1_6

In the second Omniwar symposium (Battle for the Brain), we harbor similar concerns to yours regarding the potential for certain frequencies, possibly in conjunction with intracorporeal nanotechnologies, to induce certain mental states, e.g. docility, passivity, helplessness. Such concerns are not unfounded when one looks carefully at the literature.

There are many reasons why people do not recognize the Omniwar for what it is. I list some of them in an upcoming interview with Lies Are Unbekoming. The public's blindness only increases its power.

It's good know that many years of training in higher education have not gone to waste!

Kirsten's avatar

Wow, I just finished that chapter. That was really good. I have to admit I downloaded your book when it first came out, started in and never went back to it. That chapter was better than I anticipated, so I will get back to reading the entire book. I thought I would be familiar with everything that you wrote, but you to include so many references across history and around the world that I'm not fully familiar with. I really like what you wrote about cognitive dissonance. Like the rest of the chapter, you have some great references that fill out the whole perspective. Not a wasted sentence!

And it made me sad at the same time. You wrote something about the fracture that cognitive dissonance has left on the our society, and even family friends and intimate relationships. That is true, and it makes me sad.

David A. Hughes's avatar

Thanks, Kirsten.

Yes, it makes me sad, too. But it is important that people understand that it was done on purpose, as an act of psychological warfare.

Kirsten's avatar

Yes, true. πŸ‘πŸ½

9/11 Revisionist's avatar

You might like my interview...

Countering the 9/11 theory of controlled demolition

A mountain of evidence suggests that the 911 towers did not fall by controlled demolition.

Article: https://maryanngebauer.substack.com/p/countering-the-911-theory-of-controlled

Michael Colligan's avatar

You were born to inspire us with truth. This is your destiny.

David A. Hughes's avatar

You're very kind, Michael.

I'm still reflecting on your words earlier this week. You're probably right.

Gayle Wells's avatar

Elze is brilliant. So interesting to hear all of this discussion.

David Pritchard's avatar

A good in depth interview, thanks David! A couple of points worth considering perhaps, we would really have to know how the technology worked to completely discount Hurricane Erin and on that note in an interview with Richard D. Hall, Judy Wood said she thought that the technology used was applied constantly until the buildings eventually "dustified," but thinking critically about it, those in Stairwell B who had been moving through the building, but survived, didn't appear to have any long term effects at the time even though the rest of the people in the building were "dustified." And so I suspect that some point there was a sudden ramping up or alteration in the technology to achieve the result. Worth pondering. That point may be relevant in understanding the method employed. Also, they must have been confident that the destruction would go ahead as planned otherwise a cock up could have exposed the whole thing in front of the public. There is a great deal of occult symbolism in the event signalling a massive change in humanity, the destruction of Jachin and Boaz, destruction of the male and female. Lots of examples in films/dramas about the event in advance. They would have to be certain it was going to work.

David A. Hughes's avatar

Yes, they must have tested the technology somewhere - but where? And when? And how often?

The fact that the survivors on Stairwell B were not harmed while so much else was dustified is very significant and requires explanation.

David Pritchard's avatar

As is often the case in higher sciences we have a limited understanding at our level but they must have perfected it to an extent. The predictive programming element goes back a long time too, in Blake's 7 the "wobbly" BBC production. In the penultimate scene the crew are in a space age helicopter with 911 clearly written on the side. Then in the final scene they all get killed apart from Avon (new man). Also scenes in back to the future from the mid 80's, so did they have the technology them is another question.

David A. Hughes's avatar

The predictive programming is fascinating. There's so much of it with respect to 9/11, someone really needs to go through it all and assess how much of is accidental and how much is deliberate.

David Pritchard's avatar

I am a long term listener of Alan Watt who mentioned predictive programming on numerous occasions over the years. Of course he had a much more in depth understanding than I do but if you understand the structure of their system and their key hidden (usually hidden in plain sight) symbols it becomes much easier to discern coincidence from deliberately placed symbols. So the Blakes 7 example given and the Back to the Future, to me would be fairly blatantly deliberate. So for example a similar thing Stratford on Avon which according to Alan means (Straight Ford on New Man, a ford is a cross which is one of their symbols). English was upgraded at the time of Shakespeare, through the introduction of new terms through the plays. A kind of upgrading of the consciousness of man. Also note that a big thing was made in late 2020 about the first man getting the jab being William Shakespeare from Stratford on Avon, what a coincidence. Trying to be concise here, the point put forward by Alan is that a good chunk of the human aspect of consciousness is dictated by the language we use, and the priest class being very old indeed were able to craft languages to suit their ends. Looking upon it as the programming of a machine like consciousness, if you know the logic of the mind you can craft a language to limit ability to think. Hence also linguistic minimalism in Orwell's 1984. Also Alan said that there were more letters (symbols) in English in the past and that our alphabet was also devised to limit the ability to think, so for example in comparison with Chinese using a completely different symbol system. The public often fall for deception in speeches given by politicians and the like.

David A. Hughes's avatar

That's interesting about the alphabet. I hadn't thought about it that way.

Peter van der Meer's avatar

Thank you, David and Elze. Fantastic interview. Great questions and, so well prepared before the interview!

9/11 Revisionist's avatar

On the subject of "cold fusion"...

In this 60 minutes piece, 20 years after Pons and Fleischman, 60 minutes actually prove "cold fusion is real" and has even been confirmed by the US Military and they are studying it, but we all know, we aren't allowed to have free abundant energy.

Link: https://youtu.be/6awWO-btC1Y

9/11 Revisionist's avatar

The Veterans today presentation by Heinz Pommer was quite a theoretical feat but puts the cart before the horse. It appeared he failed to ask the question: What happened?

Dr. Judy Wood - 9/11 The New Hiroshima, exhaustively describes what happened (before the cover-up which began immediately).

Pommer's theory was pretty much blown away by Wood's presentation.

The giant cavern below the WTC complex was formed during geologic times not by a nuke on 9/11.

Videos of the basement below the towers show that there was little damage to the infrastructure in the basement and people walking through it without encountering any of the mythical pools of molten metals.

A nuke below each tower would surely have damaged the walls of the 'bathtub', the dyke that held the Hudson back, which would have flooded Manhattan.

There was no evidence that there was any heat energy released in the collapses which Pommer said would have been necessary to melt the steel.

Steel, by the way, glows bright red before melting.

We did not see any red hot steel or any evidence of extreme heat.

Cars appeared to burning but the piles of paper on the ground did not combust.

Judy Wood had to be 'cancelled' because she was right.

Not the best presenter, but a hell of a structural engineer who immediately saw what nobody else did and spent years trying to get the word out.

Ironically, it was the '911 Truth' movement who took her down.

They could not rebut the evidence she gathered so they ignored it (Covid anyone?).

Wood's book, Where Did the Towers Go? "Evidence of Directed Free-Energy Technology on 911" introduces the evidence, that the work of Nicola Tesla had been used in the process.

What Pommer shows regarding the bedrock:

These artifacts are called "glacial erratics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacial_erratic)"

People have been hoodwinked to think this is proof of a nuke going off, which is laughable to say the least and people really should do a little bit of research before they make fools of themselves.

This is a link to the original 1970’s Engineering paper about the WTC bedrock formations, showing the formations mostly underneath building 4. The β€œbathtub” was built just left of building 4.

Read the paper here (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228393172_50_Ka_till-filled_Pleistocene_plunge_pools_and_potholes_found_beneath_the_World_Trade_Center_site_New_York_NY#pf2).

In the information age, it’s a CHOICE to be misinformed and uninformed.

When you just do a quick search online, there are some similar bedrocks, such as this in NYC Central Park.

Article (https://www.immuchbetternowthatyourehere.com/homilyblog/2017/8/28/i91974k8cyw5h5n7p2ivkka2mrjqhq).

Here's another PDF (https://www.wvgs.wvnet.edu/www/geoeduc/sedimentaryrocksed16a.pdf)that may be of use.

It shows similar rock formations in West Virginia which is semi-close to NYC.

9/11 Truth Suppression Timeline

"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." - Vladimir Lenin

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline

David A. Hughes's avatar

Well said (although I don't think there's any evidence that Lenin uttered those words).

9/11 Revisionist's avatar

Might not be Lenin’s words, but very descriptive of the COINTELPRO agent controlled 9/11 β€œtruth” movement…

The molecular dissociation of the thermite & nuke theories

People are so easily led by perceived "experts".

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/the-controlled-demolition-of-thermite

Vic Hughes's avatar

excellent interview. Something you may enjoy. Here's a comment I made on a Naked Emperor article about Fusion that seems to fit well.

"I loved reading the article saying Fusion power is 10 years away. From a University speech I give:

"Fifty years ago I was a grad student studying nuclear physics and there was a real excitement in the air. It was widely believed by top physicists and most of the profession that:

- We had learned an awful lot about the Universe and thought we knew enough to;

- Soon create a Grand Unified Field Theory (GUT) of everything that would explain the Universe, and,

- Commercial (Hot) Fusion Power was 10 years away."

So fifty years later:

- We totally missed Dark Energy and Dark Matter, 95%? of the Universe, but still thought we knew enough at the time to create a GUT,

- If you follow current conventional wisdom, there may be millions of alternative Universes and any GUT is a long time away, if ever, and,

- Commercial (Hot) Fusion Power is still 10 years away."

I also use the line in my speeches that "We don't know much and a lot of what we do know is wrong".

Glad to see Commercial (Hot) Fusion Power is still only 10 years away. I do love the Oldies. Like Hubris."

I figure if you have to make a plug to explain 95% of the Universe, you don't really know anything. I have gone to the Electric Universe Theory and definitely support Judy Wood's theory. Thanks for getting it out there. You are fighting hubris and evil, all the way down.

9/11 Revisionist's avatar

Joseph P. Farrell is mentioned in the discussion and people should read pages 83 to 85 of Andrew Johnson's book, "9/11 Holding the truth", for more background on how Farrell has not been honest about his dealings with the WDTTG material and has also tried to β€œmuddle things up” in his presentations.

Andrew Johnson's two FREE E-Books on 9/11:

1. 9/11 Finding the Truth - http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/pdf/9-11%20-%20Finding%20the%20Truth.pdf

2. 9/11 Holding the Truth - http://checktheevidencecom.ipage.com/checktheevidence.com/pdf/911%20Holding%20The%20Truth%20-Andrew%20Johnson%20-%202017.pdf

Gayle Wells's avatar

I was always confused by Joseph Farrell. There are many technologies that can be expanded to do mass scale destruction. The average person doesn't engage in making nuclear bombs. So why would we deny the masses a sensible use of cold fusion that literally sets the world free, destroys the oligarch's control and reveals the very weaponry they can use for the bad, where if it is exposed, they wouldn't be able to use it without people sourcing who is actually behind it and using it. You're blowing my mind David. No wonder your following, although growing, is far below where it should be. Substack? I've not seen anyone look behind who owns and controls it. The net to catch the ones who fell through the first few nets. So many I trust on substack should have far greater numbers of followers.

9/11 Revisionist's avatar

Joseph P. Farrell is mentioned in the discussion and people should read pages 83 to 85 of Andrew Johnson's book, "9/11 Holding the truth", for more background on how Farrell has not been honest about his dealings with the WDTTG material and has also tried to β€œmuddle things up” in his presentations.

Andrew Johnson's two FREE E-Books on 9/11:

1. 9/11 Finding the Truth - http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/pdf/9-11%20-%20Finding%20the%20Truth.pdf

2. 9/11 Holding the Truth - http://checktheevidencecom.ipage.com/checktheevidence.com/pdf/911%20Holding%20The%20Truth%20-Andrew%20Johnson%20-%202017.pdf

David A. Hughes's avatar

Thanks, Gayle. I have no idea whether Substack manipulates algorithms like the other platforms

Gayle Wells's avatar

I've not seen one of the true journalists, academics, scientists that I've had to spend time vetting for my own trust ever get over a thousand in support. I find that extremely suspicious. Did they set that rule and parameter up in advance? Who knows but someone should dive into who they are

David A. Hughes's avatar

It would be a clever way of controlling information if reliable sources got herded into places like Substack and then had their reach throttled. But I have no idea whether that is the case.

Gayle Wells's avatar

Maybe I can work on that. God knows you're covering far beyond what most could or would. Take good care of yourself David. I'm adopting you as a form of a second son in this weird and crazy time. Don't worry, it will only be through prayer and grand wishes expressed for your continued courage and to your creator who sees you for exactly the warrior for good you are.

David A. Hughes's avatar

Thank you, Gayle. I do appreciate that.

Let me know if you discover anything!

ShastaBetty's avatar

Thank you so much David! This is such important information as I usually do listening to you. I wish the entire world could see it. I watched the planes go into the building that morning on TV. Shortly after I began to question the government's narrative. Before this interview I too had believed in the thermite explanation, but not any more.

David A. Hughes's avatar

Thanks, Betty. That's good to hear!

9/11 Revisionist's avatar

The only two brave souls that tried to take on the US Government in 2007, that the 9/11 "truth" movement is keeping hidden. Read their court filings.

Dr Morgan Reynolds: https://nomoregames.net/2011/06/12/request-for-correction-by-nist-for-its-invalid-wtc-jetliner-animations-and-analyses/

Dr Judy Wood: https://www.drjudywood.com/wp/court-case-qui-tam/

The Suspension of Newtonian Physics on 9/11

A Plane conversation with Dr Morgan Reynolds & 9/11 Revisionist

Article & Interview: https://911revision.substack.com/p/the-suspension-of-newtonian-physics

Dismantling the theory of controlled demolition on 9/11

Good intentioned truth seekers are being sold a provably false narrative

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/dismantling-the-theory-of-controlled

September 11 Evidence: Don't talk about Judy

Curt Weldon asked about Dr Judy Wood and his answer is telling

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/september-11-evidence-dont-talk-about

ShastaBetty's avatar

Honestly, I do not understand why you are responding to my simple statement of thanks with this list of links. I know all that!! I wasn't saying that David is the ONLY one I've paid attention to.

9/11 Revisionist's avatar

I thought it to be good to share some additional resources and chats that have been had in the last 3 months, you might not be aware of...

Jennifer's avatar

That was really interesting, thank you. Incredible about Steve Jones. We had repeat performances from various actors in C-19, too. I had to search with Yandex to find this - Heavy Watergate - the war against cold fusion https://rumble.com/v67mw27-heavy-watergate-the-war-against-cold-fusion-2009.html

David A. Hughes's avatar

Thanks, yes. Personally, I have reached the conclusion that virtually all the "big names" in the "truth movement" are compromised in one way or another.

Heavy Watergate is a useful film for anyone wanting to know more about the suppression of cold fusion technology.

Morten Nielsen's avatar

There are a couple of important details Dr. Wood did not consider, or intentionally left out, when she wrote her book:

The top of the first tower smashed down on the Marriott Hotel and almost divided the building into two. There is made a documentary about that building and the survivors in it.

This means that the whole tower was not dustified.

What about the 2,3 Richter scale measurement? We don't know if we can trust this. Wouldn't the top have caused a higher number than 2,3? Maybe not, but we still can not be sure that we can trust this number. You have to consider the amount of corrupt authorities and lies involved in 9/11. This is another example of why it is key to learn that there were no airplanes but animations.

After the collaps of the second tower the Marriott building was gone. What caused this since the 2nd tower too was obviously dustified?

In the 2nd tower collaps a 100 ton section was thrown 300 meter away from the tower's footprint. It landed in Winter Garden. You can see it at 1:10:00 in the documentary "The great american psy-opera". The section was intact and in no way dustified. I can't figure out how that dome-shaped section fitted into the tower.

What an event! The greatest show on Earth ever. Only the 2020 Scamdemic can compete. Scary and concerning stuff to say the least.

David A. Hughes's avatar

Actually, Wood never claimed that both towers were completely dustified, only that the majority of the material was. She also used the metaphor of each tower "peeling apart like a banana," which goes some way to explaining segments of the outer walls being found in the debris.

Also, if you read her book carefully, she expresses doubt about the seismic readings and whether they can be trusted.

Morten Nielsen's avatar

She did write "mainly dustified". But those are two big pieces of the towers to overlook. Someone should inform her about it. I sent her a mail years ago. No reply.

I do not recall her expressing doubt. I will take a closer look. Maybe she did it once, but throughout the book she uses the seismic readings as facts. She does this with other information too which could be false.

That piece 300 meters away, though. Mind boggling (just as Wood's book). I would like to hear her comment on that piece. But hell, that photo could be false too.

She is aware that there were no planes. She writes this indirectly in her book. Furthermore, I heard her saying it in an interview.

David A. Hughes's avatar

Can you provide a link for the "two big pieces of the towers"?

Re: seismic signals, she wrote "Or have the data been completely manufactured"? (p. 72).

"No planes" is not mentioned in her book.

Morten Nielsen's avatar

That's good she mentions that on page 72. I didn't see it. She should have been consistent and mentioned it throughout her book and in her lectures, though.

For WTC7 she writes: β€œIn other words, there's basically no seismic event for WTC7’s demise”. This doesn't quite add up. In order for this to be true and also be consistent with her dustification technology theory, WTC7 would have to have been dustified for hours (as Wood claims), and then collapsed in a visually completely different way than WTC1 and WTC2, and left no seismic event. It makes more sense that the seismic data for WTC7 is fake. If one is fake, so are the other two probably.

Yes, she does mention "no planes", plus I saw her in an interview saying that "I think it was some kind of image thing".

Here is what she writes about β€œno planes”:

β€œDr. Morgan Reynolds, in the case he filed, addressed how this crime was not committed with airplanes. Remember, to convict someone of a crime, you need to prove how the crime was committed. It may surprise you to learn that there is no actual, verifiable evidence confirming that airplanes crashed at any of the four locations on

9/11/01. However, as Dr. Reynolds shows, there is an abundance of evidence to the contrary.!! That does not mean there were no airplanes. It only means that no evidence of the alleged airplanes was found at the crime scenes. It also does not mean that eyewitnesses were dishonest or did not see what they believed were airplanes. But what this does mean is that there is a significant contradiction between the physical evidence and the story we were given. You cannot legally convict someone of murder using a gun if the body has no bullet holes in it, no matter how many people thought they saw the accused shoot the gun. Once again, you cannot convict someone of a crime based on belief. Otherwise magic tricks could be used to convict anyone of a crime,”

I will rewatch the documentary about the Marriott Hotel, study a bit, and send it to you today or tomorrow. I need to investigate if the top tilted to the same side as the hotel stood.

The Winter Garden big piece you can see here at 1:09:51):

https://youtu.be/UmcOEY2cfi8?si=LsUcXGZS11e4fKbS

I think it is fake and part of the occult ritual. But I don't know that. The split of the Hotel into two could not be fake. That has to have been caused by the top of the tower. I will study it today.

David A. Hughes's avatar

What page is that long quote on?

Re: sections of the towers destroying parts of other buildings, I have written about that in the section on WTC3 and WTC4 here: https://dhughes.substack.com/p/reflections-on-my-visit-to-the-world

Morten Nielsen's avatar

xxxii in "Author's Preface".

It was not the top of the South Tower which hit the hotel. The top tilted slightly away from the hotel. What hit the hotel was a pile of debris.

Source: https://youtu.be/AfygCVvW-lc?si=_jFVVxSIm05SKo-Y

You can see the tilt as well as the orientation at 19:00). Right after you see the pile of debris hitting the hotel.

From 22:00 you can see the damage to the building before the collapse of the 2nd tower. It took a big hit. I would like to know what Judy Wood's comment on this would be.

Gayle Wells's avatar

Isn't this what the swastika referred to as the nazi scientists had advanced tech the baddies got hold of? Is this all at the centre of the ufo stuff that Farrell and Dark Journalist discussed with another speech that Kennedy was about to give in Dallas with a physicist for some big reveal? Even the physicist died shortly after Kennedy did. It wasn't about life off planet threat, but the hidden energy science. Is that why YouTube allows Dark Journalist the platform because his big audience believes in off planet alian eveal while maybe he and Farrell are hinting at another message to a specific portion of that same audience? This is the ultimate topic!!! Now the AI they've already been using for a long time indicated to the pirate class that 100th monkey was happening on not just big pharma and health scam, the banking scam, our history, etc., but the free energy reveal. Perfect time for covid as they knew they'd have to use it at some point. The energy piece.....That's at the very top of it all right under the identities of the pirates themselves that is.

9/11 Revisionist's avatar

I wonder if Catherine Fitts read my article and then decided to have you on, Prof Hughes....

I also think it's borders on criminal that Solari wants this interview to be hidden behind a paywall on their website.

This should be public!

Catherine Austin Fitts & Breakthrough Energy

Weaponized Breakthrough Energy has been deployed, but no one wants to talk about it

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/catherine-austin-fitts-and-breakthrough

David A. Hughes's avatar

No, this interview was arranged before then.